August 14, 2007

2008 Subaru Impreza WRX vs. 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 Comparison

2008 Subaru Impreza WRX vs. 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 Comparison

By John Pearley Huffman

Sport compacts have it hard. Cars like the 2008 Subaru Impreza WRX and the 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 — along with competitors like the Honda Civic Si, Mini Cooper S and Volkswagen GTI — are expected to do mutually contradictory things with something approaching perfection. They’re supposed to be quick but economical; athletic but comfortable; sporty but practical. Oh yeah, and they can’t cost a lot.

Go ahead and dream the impossible dream.

In last year’s six-car sport compact comparison test it was the then-new 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 that did the best job of pulling off those tricks. And just behind it in 2nd place was the 2006 Subaru WRX TR. Now, with the 2007 model year dribbling to an end, Subaru has introduced a new 2008 WRX that’s both lighter and roomier.

But is it enough to knock the Mazdaspeed 3 off its precarious perch?

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2008 Subaru Impreza WRX vs. 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 Comparison

2008 Subaru Impreza WRX vs. 2007 Mazdaspeed 3. (Photo by Scott Jacobs)

2008 Subaru Impreza WRX vs. 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 Comparison

2008 Subaru Impreza WRX vs. 2007 Mazdaspeed 3. (Photo by Scott Jacobs)

2008 Subaru Impreza WRX vs. 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 Comparison

Dive into a corner and the Mazdaspeed 3 gets through it flat and nearly flat-out. (Photo by Scott Jacobs)

2008 Subaru Impreza WRX vs. 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 Comparison

Corners in the Subaru WRX are taken with a compressed suspension and plenty of body roll. (Photo by Scott Jacobs)

2008 Subaru Impreza WRX vs. 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 Comparison

It may lack the WRX’s giant hood scoop, but the Mazdaspeed 3’s fenders are wider than the regular Mazda 3’s and the hood is raised to channel cool air to the top-mounted intercooler. It’s subtle and attractive. (Photo by Scott Jacobs)

2008 Subaru Impreza WRX vs. 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 Comparison

The giant hood scoop carries on a WRX tradition. But why does the rest of the new Impreza body have to be so boring? (Photo by Scott Jacobs)

2008 Subaru Impreza WRX vs. 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 Comparison

The WRX’s best angle is low, from the rear corner. Some of the car’s wedge shape is apparent and the clear taillight lenses are attractive. (Photo by Scott Jacobs)

2008 Subaru Impreza WRX vs. 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 Comparison

Even from the WRX’s best angle, the Mazdaspeed 3 is better-looking. Much of the credit must go to the flared fenders hugging its large 18-inch diameter wheels. (Photo by Scott Jacobs)

2008 Subaru Impreza WRX vs. 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 Comparison

The Mazdaspeed 3’s 263-horsepower 2.3-liter turbocharged direct-injection four is the same "DISI" power plant used in the larger Mazdaspeed 6 sedan and CX-7 crossover. The engine’s best showcase, however, is in the Mazdaspeed 3. (Photo by Scott Jacobs)

2008 Subaru Impreza WRX vs. 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 Comparison

Subaru’s 224-horsepower, turbocharged 2.5-liter flat-4 is friendly and unique, but doesn’t have the same flexibility or ultimate bang as the Mazda engine. (Photo by Scott Jacobs)

2008 Subaru Impreza WRX vs. 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 Comparison

The Mazdaspeed 3 gets a six-speed manual transmission while the WRX has to make do with five manually shifted gears. However, only the WRX is available as an automatic. (Photo by Scott Jacobs)

2008 Subaru Impreza WRX vs. 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 Comparison

Adoption of a new double-wishbone rear suspension allowed Subaru engineers to equip the WRX with a nicely flat cargo load floor. (Photo by Scott Jacobs)

2008 Subaru Impreza WRX vs. 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 Comparison

With aluminum pedals, red trim on the seats and a more elegantly sculpted dash, the Mazdaspeed 3’s interior actually looks sporty. (Photo by Scott Jacobs)

2008 Subaru Impreza WRX vs. 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 Comparison

The WRX’s interior isn’t as boring as the exterior, but it’s not as interesting as the Mazda’s interior either. (Photo by Scott Jacobs)

2008 Subaru Impreza WRX vs. 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 Comparison

The Mazdaspeed 3’s sound system lights up in various interesting ways. It doesn’t sound bad either. (Photo by Scott Jacobs)

2008 Subaru Impreza WRX vs. 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 Comparison

The Subaru’s sound system is less elaborate, but has bigger buttons and is easier to navigate. (Photo by Scott Jacobs)

2008 Subaru Impreza WRX vs. 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 Comparison

The WRX’s seatbacks are comfortable and supportive, but the seat bottoms are almost shapeless. (Photo by Scott Jacobs)

2008 Subaru Impreza WRX vs. 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 Comparison

The several different textures and surfaces of the Mazdaspeed 3’s interior give it a richness missing from that of the WRX. (Photo by Scott Jacobs)

2008 Subaru Impreza WRX vs. 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 Comparison

All the WRX’s instrumentation is grouped under a single hood where it’s easily scanned. (Photo by Scott Jacobs)

2008 Subaru Impreza WRX vs. 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 Comparison

The Mazdaspeed 3’s gauges are all burrowed into the dashboard. It’s attractive, but less efficient for the driver’s eye to take in at a single glance. (Photo by Scott Jacobs)

2008 Subaru Impreza WRX vs. 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 Comparison

While it lacks the WRX’s jumbo-size hood scoop, the Mazdaspeed 3 has wider fenders and a domed hood to distinguish it from lesser Mazda 3 models. (Photo by Scott Jacobs)

2008 Subaru Impreza WRX vs. 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 Comparison

Like chrome? The WRX has some on the front grille and rear hatch. Except for some badges, it’s missing from the Mazda. (Photo by Scott Jacobs)

2008 Subaru Impreza WRX vs. 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 Comparison

From the rear, the Mazdaspeed 3 is almost boring-looking. But this is the view most other sport compact drivers will have of the car. (Photo by Scott Jacobs)

Subie Do, Mazda Do, Too

By stretching the Impreza WRX’s wheelbase 3.7 inches to 103.1 inches, Subaru has produced a significantly roomier cockpit for passengers. Meanwhile, the new five-door body style (a four-door sedan is also offered) keeps the overall size tidy with minimal overhangs and total length of just 173.8 inches — 2 inches shorter than the 2006 WRX TR four-door sedan. Width remains unchanged at 68.5 inches while overall height has risen from 56.7 to 58.1 inches.

At 3,167 pounds, the all-wheel-drive WRX wagon is only 45 pounds heavier than the 2006 WRX TR and 9 pounds lighter than the five-door Mazdaspeed 3, despite the fact that only the Mazda’s front wheels are driven.

This is partially due to the Mazda’s slightly larger size. Its wheelbase is 0.8 inch longer than the Subaru’s and its total length is 3 inches greater. It’s also an inch wider and half an inch taller.

So they’re sized about the same inside and out, but under their skins these turbocharged wagons couldn’t be more different.

Powerful Arguments

Subaru and Porsche are the only carmakers that still believe in the benefits of the flat engine. The new WRX’s turbocharged and intercooled 2.5-liter DOHC 16-valve horizontally opposed four is an updated version of the same engine that’s been powering Subarus since Wisconsin was admitted to the union.

Now rated at 224 horsepower at 5,200 rpm (400 rpm earlier than in ‘07), Subaru has given up a bit of peak power to improve low-end torque, and 226 pound-feet at a mere 2,800 rpm (down 800 rpm from before) is impressive. Bolted to the engine is a five-speed manual transaxle that feeds the Subie’s ubiquitous all-wheel-drive system.

In contrast, the Mazdaspeed 3’s power plant appears relatively conventional: a turbocharged and intercooled 2.3-liter DOHC 16-valve inline-4. But this is Mazda’s Direct Injection Spark Ignition (DISI) engine — the same advanced technology power plant Mazda puts in the larger Mazdaspeed 6 sedan and CX-7 crossover.

Using a direct-injection fuel system, the DISI is rated at 263 hp at 5,500 rpm and 280 lb-ft of peak torque at a measly 3,000 rpm. It’s also particularly smooth thanks to a pair of counterrotating balance shafts that knock out most vibrations. It’s attached to Mazda’s compact "three-shaft" six-speed manual transaxle that supplies power to the front wheels.

Door Handle to Door Handle

The generous torque band and distinctive sound (sort of like a VW Beetle operating underwater — which, in a sense, it is) of the Subaru’s flat four are as appealing as ever, but it just doesn’t have the same thrust and flexibility of the Mazda motor.

Although the Subaru’s 5.9-second 0-60 time is two ticks better than the Mazda’s 6.1-second clocking, it’s all due to its traction advantage at launch. By the end of the quarter-mile, the two cars are dead even at 14.5 seconds and the Mazdaspeed 3 is going 98.7 mph compared to the WRX at 94.4 mph. Considering the difference in power ratings, none of this is surprising.

The surprise was that this Mazdaspeed 3 was slower than the preproduction Mazdaspeed 3 in last year’s comparison test. That car made it to 60 in just 5.9 seconds and traipsed through the quarter-mile in 14.2 seconds at 100.1 mph.

Because this production Mazdaspeed 3 was absolutely brand-new with less than 500 miles on its odometer, it may just be that its engine would loosen up with some mileage and it would get quicker. Or it could be a natural variation because the cars were tested on different surfaces. Or maybe the engineers were just extra, um, attentive to the preproduction car. Feel free to speculate.

Either way, there’s no denying the Mazdaspeed 3’s torque steer on launch, but in most every other respect, the combination of the DISI’s flexible power band and the sure-shifting six-speed gearbox is significantly better — and ultimately quicker — than the Subaru.

Suspension of Disbelief

Sometime during the development process, Subaru decided to skip roll stiffness as part of the WRX’s suspension tuning equation. The car has good reflexes, but go into a corner hard enough and by the apex you’re half expecting to scrape a sideview mirror off on the tarmac. We also miss the tossability of the old WRX, which has been replaced with understeer.

A new double-wishbone independent rear suspension replaces the struts used on the previous WRX, but the lack of roll stiffness doesn’t seem to be isolated to the tail. Instead this seems to be a choice by the engineers to maximize ride comfort at the expense of cornering prowess. As it is, the WRX’s 0.81g skid pad and 67.7-mph blast through the slalom are solid, but not up to the Mazdaspeed 3’s better 0.86g skid pad twirl and outstanding 69.3-mph slalom performance.

Noticeably stiffer than the WRX without being uncomfortable, the Mazda’s turn-in and steering response are among the very best around and the car remains flat even in grossly off-camber corners. This is an excellent-handling machine, but like the Subaru it’s not really possible to rotate the car around corners. The levels of adhesion are high enough, however, that the car is absolutely blazing before it heads into understeer.

As in the previous WRX, the new WRX’s steering is quick, precise and nicely weighted. The steering is heavier than the Mazda’s, but it provides great feedback. Both cars also have effective four-wheel disc brakes and unobtrusive antilock systems. The Mazda took 113 feet to stop from 60 mph while the Subaru needed 121, but both cars would be better with brake pedals that had more progressive actions and more feel.

On a mountain road, the Mazda is fun to toss in a way few other cars priced under $30,000 are. And it’s satisfying to drive even slowly.

Everyday Cars for Every Day

Ford’s C1 platform underpins the Mazda 3 and Mazdaspeed 3 (as well as Volvo’s C30 and S40) and it’s the most substantial-feeling compact-car chassis out there. In the Mazdaspeed 3 the ride is stiffer than in other C1s, but it’s always poised, even when chucking itself from pothole to road divot to gutter crack. And it’s relatively quiet, doing a good job of isolating out most road noise despite the car’s relatively large 215/45ZR18 Bridgestone Potenza RE050A summer-spec performance tires.

The WRX, on the other hand, transmits more road noise through its structure, even though less aggressive 205/50R17 Bridgestone Potenza RE92A tires are fitted. The Subaru feels tight and well built, just not as impregnable as the Mazda.

Its lower cowl height, an advantage of that flat engine, gives the WRX better overall visibility than the Mazda, but Subaru didn’t press that advantage with the WRX’s interior design. Like its exterior, it’s somewhat drab and uninspired.

The front seats, for instance, have nicely shaped backs but the seat bottoms are flat and everything is upholstered in two tones: drab gray and drabber black. There’s plenty of room for stuff in this logically laid out interior, and the oversize, easily read gauges glow a brilliant red, but no one in there is going to be overjoyed by what they see. At least they kept the tach in the center of the instrument panel, which should keep the faithful satisfied.

Mazda hasn’t been shy about decorating the Mazdaspeed 3’s interior. There are aluminum covers for the pedals, red accent stitching on the steering wheel and upholstery and the seats have been assertively bolstered for support. Turn on the Mazdaspeed 3’s radio and red LEDs light up in sequential celebration of the system’s activation. If the Mazdaspeed 3 interior’s flamboyance is too much, then maybe the whole car is too flamboyant for you. But it looks like a sporty car’s interior. And in practical terms, it’s at least as usable for day-to-day tasks as the Subaru.

Price Matters

At just over $25,000, the Mazdaspeed 3 isn’t cheap. But the Subaru WRX came in at an as-tested $27,595. Of course the WRX has the advantage of all-wheel drive and if you live in Colorado, New Hampshire or Vermont that can make all the difference come wintertime. Still, if performance-bang-for-your-hard-earned-buck is the bottom line, you’ll be better off moving to a warmer climate and buying a Mazdaspeed 3.

It’s hard not to be somewhat disappointed by the Impreza WRX. It’s a good car, but it’s wrapped in lackluster sheet metal and doesn’t have the edge it needs to be a consistently entertaining driving companion. Here’s hoping the WRX STI that’s coming sharpens this car into something spectacular.

Last year the Mazdaspeed 3 rose to be crowned the king of the sport compacts. Its spot on the throne is safe for now

Inside Line Editor in Chief Scott Oldham says:

This is an easy one. I like the Mazdaspeed 3 over the new WRX.

It’s easy because I liked the Mazdaspeed 3 more than the old WRX and I like the old WRX more than the new WRX. I think that puts the new WRX in 3rd place, but I’ve lost count.

What I do know is this: The Mazdaspeed 3 costs less than the Subaru, but feels more expensive. It handles better than the WRX, despite its lack of all-wheel drive. It’s as quick as the WRX despite its much smaller engine. And it’s much better-looking.

The only thing I can think of that the new WRX has over the Mazda is all-weather traction, but I live in Los Angeles, so I don’t care. It’s sunny here all the time. Plus, the front-wheel-drive Mazda has standard traction control so it’ll get you through most Midwest winters.

Now, if you’re lucky enough to live where it snows every single day, and you absolutely need all-wheel drive, buy the Subaru. It’ll serve you well, get you where you want to go and deliver plenty of fun for your modest investment. Plus, it’ll probably be covered in white stuff most of the time, so your exposure to its ugly mug will be minimized.

Or better yet, buy the Mazdaspeed 3 and move to Los Angeles. We’ve got some great roads here. The kind of winding mountain runs the Mazdaspeed 3 was made for.

Source: Edmunds
By John Pearley Huffman

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11 Comments »
Comment by SubaruJoe
2007-08-15 00:10:58

cool vid thats an awesome song…

 
Comment by rv
2007-08-17 05:59:18

Strange review; apparently the advantages for AWD only come in handy if you live in Colorado, New Hampshire or Vermont? Sorry, but Edmunds’ reviews are worthless…

Comment by lesha
2007-08-25 09:20:25

+1

 
 
Comment by Anonymous
2007-10-27 18:39:33

fuck mazdas

Comment by gene
2007-10-28 11:01:53

add mazda3 mps awd - and it will smoke most of its competitors

i don’t get - how to handle so much HP with front wheel drive, it’s fuckin silly

 
 
Comment by Anthony
2007-11-19 12:18:18

Its a shame when Impreza’s are being compared with Mazda’s.

 
Comment by Poda Dei
2008-01-08 00:56:27

I am considering a Mazda 3 (not mazdaspeed) vs a base impreza. The video does show little bit more body roll on the subaru. But I really like subaru & their AWD & standard ABS, air bag features. Its a great bargain for the base model (Mazda 3 base does not even have ABS). However, I dont live in a snowy region. & I have owned a ‘91 protege manual which by far was the sportiest car I have ever owned (others being camry, accord, minivan)

 
Comment by Mazdaspeed Silver Bullet
2008-04-06 22:17:05

I love both cars my fav has been Mazda for many years an owning 2 RX-7 I love the feel of Mazda. My new purchase of the Mazdaspeed3 GT has been a great buy. The is alot to say about both cars, for me the price and test drive sold me on the Mazda. Your mind trick you with this car with the anti-wheel spin during 1st & 2nd really feels like an all wheel drive car at 3rd all boots 16.8 psi. Crazy to say for the Scooby owners much respect to the Subaru and its history. If I could own both an STI too I would. Happy to say I drove both cars my fav. is the Mazda and ease of upgrades to Motor with Mazdaspeed products. Having a family and Rocket is amazing feeling. We will see what time will say about the two cars. Happy motoring to all what ever your choice.

Comment by Matthew
2008-06-18 20:49:35

I just rolled off the lot in my new Speed3 sport. Since my test drive, I have had a stupid evil grin plastered on my mug. My wife even called me out on it walking back to the car after dinner last night. I couldn’t wait to drive it again. I never felt that before from any of my previous cars. It’s the craziest thing on four wheels in the price bracket. bar none. As for breaking it in… I cracked 106 on the speedo just on the drive home from the dealer, and 115 on the way into work today. It didn’t even break a sweat and wanted more… I better buy a radar detector fast! First and second gear at first impression are all business… it won’t let me burn out. it sends the energy directly to the pavement to get up an go. The explosion comes late in the second gear and all through the third gear sending the car off like it has jet propulsion. Sorry reviewer John R had a bad dealer experience, I think he truly missed out on a killer rider. The Hatch body is very unassuming for the turbo demon trapped under the hood. Glad I got mine while it was still legal!

 
 
Comment by John R
2008-04-16 20:17:35

This article is bogus. The mazda speed isn’t half the car the WRX is. I didn’t get to test drive the speed because the dealer’s in my area don’t allow test drives, but I drove the mazda 3, and the road and engine noise was horrible. I bought a 2008 WRX and love it. Maybe if they (mazda) would have let me test drive the speed, I “might” have considered it, but that really rubbed me the wrong way. Subaru would have let me test drive the STI, but I chose not to! Oh, and I live in San Diego and because it doesn’t rain much in Southern California, the roads are some of the mosts dangerous in the country. Lots of cars dripping oil on the highway for months at a time, add a little rain and that spells disaster! I feel comfortable with my WRX all wheel drive plus VCD. Saying you only need AWD in a few states is ridiculous. I drive to Mammoth and other ski areas multiple times a year, as do a lot of other So Cal people.

 
Comment by steve Subscribed to comments via email
2008-09-05 03:24:25

I love my mazda speed 3, I test drove a wrx and an sti and even if the wrx was faster wich its not the mazda speed will still be the better car. U really have to abuse the wrx to get a quicker 0-60 time then the speed . And for nothing cause then it blows past the wrx by 3rd gear anyway. And on the hwy AWD is cripled by 30 hp. I have seen stock speed threes giving STIs a run for their money on the hwy. Add the mazdaspeed exhaust and airfilter and ull be eatin STIs up on the go. Not bad for a car 8K or more cheaper with better looks and all out and in styling and just all out funner ta drive said by Augh anyone important as in car proffesion enthusiasts!

 

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